>> As we just mentioned, Pope Francis born Jorge Mario Bergoglio died Monday making his last public appearance to bless thousands for Easter Sunday.

He was the first Latin American and just what pontiff known as a humble change agent who often clashed with traditional Catholics.

Roman Catholic leaders are reflecting on his 12 years in the papacy and the future of the church.

Joining us now, our jewelry, Bishop Lawrence Sullivan of the Archdiocese of Chicago, Michael Murphy, the director of the Hank Center for Catholic Intellectual Heritage at Loyola University, Chicago and Steven Millions, a professor of public, the algae at the Catholic Theological Union.

We are hoping to be joined by Reverend CEO Sanchez from the Shrine of Our Lady of Guadalupe.

And still working on connecting with him.

But we think the 3 of you for joining us, Bishop Sullivan, let's start with you, please.

We know that Pope Francis had been very ill these last few months.

What is your reaction to his passing this Easter Monday?

>> It's really a mixture of both sadness.

We're certainly going to mourn the loss of a truly wonderful leader.

Someone who it was a great example who left their faith and word and action.

also time to really be grateful for is phenomenal So it's a mixture of sadness and sorrow, but also one >> of gratitude Thanksgiving.

>> course, he just giving Easter blessings at Saint Peter's Square on Easter Sunday.

What was his message?

>> The message really is that been very consistent.

And that is to have a sense of dignity and respect and love for one another, too.

Welcome the presence of Jesus into our hearts and 2 be really examples of his goodness in the world.

>> Stephen Millie's, he came to be pope after Pope Benedict retired, of course, in 2013.

What do you think he was chosen at the time?

Well, a lot of it actually had to do with things.

Their internals of the church, administrative things inside the Korea, the Cardinals who chose him.

We think we, of course, don't know exactly what happens inside a conclave.

>> But we think that the Cardinals who chose him were concerned about having someone who could come up and clean up the administrative part of the church.

We should say that's been an important success of the Francis papacy.

He has reorganized the Korea.

And of course, we would also want to add as the first Latin American pope, he represents where most Catholics in the world are in many ways than he was the perfect person for the job.

>> Michael Michael Murphy.

How was his vision for the church in his leadership?

Different from previous?

>> Things a listening past or so.

There's a great reform and the 60's Vatican to I think he sees his legacy as implementing at second stage and a church.

You know, in those days it open the windows, let the air and the Pope Francis said on record, open the windows to let Jesus out.

And that's the spirit.

And that becomes a lot Latino.

All that American sensibility, the Holy Spirit to kind of partner with always spear and the president to all persons, all creation.

But in Jesus out to be among the people who are out there to be among everyone else.

Not only in here with that is I understand correctly.

>> Bishop, does the pope have such a worldwide influence?

>> But there over a billion Catholics throughout the world.

One of the interesting things about the Catholic Church is that we really do have people at the ground all over the world.

And so we know what's going on from real world stories and from being present.

And so the Holy father is able to bring that information to gather and to really address the needs of all people because he's getting firsthand knowledge of what is really happening in the world.

>> His stances on some of what could be some controversial issues, particularly marriage contraception drew some criticism from some of that conservative members of the Catholic especially here in the U.S. How was he received by the church here?

I think that he really is a wonderful example of what it means to >> be motivated by God's love for all people.

And I think that was a very consistent message of Pope Francis.

He was someone who demonstrate that while we're not perfect to God's love for us is perfect people.

>> Michael.

In 2015, he became the first pope to address the U.S. Why did he want to do that at the time?

What was his message?

a good so happy did because it was bold and many know, the thing about today and Steve writes about the stuff like that to kind of remind Americans of who they are and a great kind of quartet of people.

I was at Merton Dorothy Day at Abraham Lincoln Martin is okay.

>> And so and in broken English.

But the the credibility and I remember, John, are now Woods, who's the guy from Ohio John Van or a Catholic?

>> Yes, we but but often to box of Kleenex for every time.

but it was it was authentic and he was moved to action in a way.

I think that nobody really could account for.

So that was all that was a landmark visit.

I remember it.

Well.

>> Stephen Nellis, same question to you.

Why?

Why do you think he wanted to do that?

What do you remember of his message at the time?

Well, I largely echo most of what Mike said.

I think I would add, you know, certainly Pope Francis was coming to a United States that was very divided.

He came.

>> And he spoke to the bishops of the United States at Saint Matthew Matthews Cathedral in spoke about the unity of the church is a seamless garment that cannot be divided.

Every bishop in that room would have known that a Pope Francis was making a reference to of Cardinal Bernadine from here in Chicago who had talked about a seamless garment of life in a different sense.

But nevertheless, the reference would have been recognizable.

Pope Francis was trying to call on all of U.S. Catholics and Americans, all people everywhere of goodwill to recognize what we share in common and to recognize that those things that we share in common are important to help us to build up the world.

They make the world more just more peaceful and more free for everyone.

>> He he says he saw the church as a field hospital after battle.

And we've heard that Kuehl used, you know, quite a lot in the last night.

Even 24 hours since learning about his death.

What did he mean by that?

What was he calling on his flock to do or to be?

Well, I think there's a couple of things.

One question side of it is, of course, what we all know from daily life.

>> Every day of life is a battle to one degree or another.

No matter who you are from the pope down to to the the person who is taking advantage of the showers.

The Pope Francis had installed for people under the colonnade in Saint Peter's Square.

Every day of life is battle.

And so in that sense of the church is a place with the medicine of mercy is administered, not just for Catholics, but to everyone through all of the countless ministries that the church undertakes.

But on the other side of that is the church.

That is the field hospital that has to recognize its mission is for the whole world.

It's a not particular or a parochial mission for Roman Catholics.

Our mission is to the whole world.

We are here for the world to accompany every person in it.

And to that degree, Pope Francis, I think with that wonderful metaphor called all of us together to see that.

Michael, what changes did he make for the church for the entirety of the church sent to carry out that Colin, what what were some of the changes he made I think the legacy Purdy writes, I think legacy is going to be his emphasis on Senate Ala Day.

>> Which is a tough word for very easy concept.

And that is to walk with each other.

>> It's an older concept in the church.

But if you heard some some of brothers, a sister Catholics would say it's it's new.

But what Pope Francis really like?

My dad always said you have one mouth and 2 years for a reason.

And we should lead with listening.

That doesn't mean you change supremacy, the bishops that doesn't mean changing doctrine.

But it does mean your company, your be more humane and being more of living out the Gospel and Pope Francis model that better than most anybody can think of quite honestly.

>> One of the one of the steps that he took opening the door a little bit wider for women to be leaders in the church.

Tell us about that.

That's right.

He the under Pope Francis's leadership is a Pacific.

It he elevated.

I think 3, at least 2.

>> They want a secretary.

It to the other Vatican decisions that have never been held by women.

So that's a I mean, it moves kind of slow, I think for a lot of us, it's, you know, the pace is slow, but these are revolutionary, you know, kind of events in the life of the church.

>> Bishop, one of the things Stephen just mentioned this a bit ago, but he was also notable is the first modern pope to come from outside of Europe.

And in this case he was born to Italian immigrants in Argentina, but his papacy meant a lot for left.

He knows because Catholicism is very prominent in South America and the Latino community.

What would his papacy mean for for letting So I'm Wednesday morning.

We're going to have a massive haul in a at the just memorial Mass be led by Cardinal Cupich.

It's reminder.

>> That while we're a very diverse community where United and our love of the Lord and were united by God's love for us.

And so this Pena community felt that in a very real and significant way.

That was a way of feeling very included away feeling very unified one of their own.

There's a real sense of of ownership in the best possible term for that.

And it's really about the fact that we come together because God loves us and we come together because we're called to to make real change in the world.

>> You mentioned Cardinal Blase Cupich and the mask that you are having on Wednesday.

He also spoke earlier today about how he remembers Pope Francis here that us.

>> He just tried to be a real person and be in touch with the everyday real life of people.

And that's why I think what Mark M a in a different way helped all of us who shepherds of dyes is to make sure that we really attend to wear people's lives are.

And so he called us all to an authenticity.

someone Sullivan, how do you think he'll be remembered?

>> I think he's going to be remembered as someone who is motivated by a sense of God's love.

I think he's going to be remembered as someone who truly cared for the poor.

I think he's going to be remembered as someone really lived out his teaching and word and example, he's someone who genuinely cared for others and and all of the statements stem from the fact that he is the child of God who is love, Denise, to bring that love into the world.

Michael.

>> Yeah, that he fully inhabited the bridge builder, the pond to fix.

And that means that I really moved but asked him, how is that that he's a part of the spirit.

If you wrote poetry, but he his actions, gestures are the words I've never seen a more kind of poetic kind of I'm going to say safe.

But a poetic.

>> Behavioral the plot that we know.

I think really no, no way to gestures.

Stevenson question, do you have anything to be remembered?

Words like Senate analogy, solidarity, fraternity, mercy.

But I think most of all I thought about this a lot today, he was the pope of joy.

>> One of my favorite.

He had all of these wonderful off the cuff moments when he was preaching at the mass of the daily masses or when he had the airborne press conferences.

And I always think of one of the earliest that the Christian should not walk through the world like a sour We're supposed to look joyful.

We had this is a thing that supposed to bring joy to our lives and other people's lives.

As I think about what we grieve today.

I also think about the joy of his reward and the joy that we're left Remember early on like he pop up in like a selfie someone with a bright smile on his face, which is something that you don't often see a pope doing.

But did?

>> almost out of time celebrate.

But what's worse, the Catholic Church go from here.

What's next?

Well, I think we have to be united in prayer.

We pray for the repose the soul of Pope Francis and we also come together test guide to strengthen our faith in Pope Francis was a wonderful example for us to follow.

And I think that we as we pray for him, we pray for ourselves.

We pay that we may.

lived that faith life with the same sense of enthusiasm, excitement.

>> And energy that Pope Francis is just so well known for to bring his sense of care to our ministry, into our churches, to our world.

And of course, there are some steps next.

Obviously the time to mourn him and then the process of the assembling the conclave to choose the next pope that